pattonme Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 So if the fork oil is changed to something heavier, compression would suffer (since small hole) but rebound would be better (since large hole)?Yup, you got it and well summarized! There isn't much of a discussion about which oil to use because the worthwhile remedies (GVE or cartridge) to the problem have "well known" oil weight answers and the readily available oils in say 10W are pretty close to each other in cSt terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 or DIY on replacing fork springs, or full on cartridges. There's a couple threads on doing the GVE mod and over in the How-TO section there was a fork spring change one I believe. The Andreani thread is pretty detailed and has rider reviews in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 added Matris (F15Y125K) to cartridge option. Discussion thread is here - http://fz07.org/post/47693/thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomascrown Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 It might be possible to slap R6S front forks, fz1 triple tree, fz09 discs together. The triple tree is where things get complicated. Making it look oem would be the difficult part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ok Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I was looking for swap with other bikes forks with 41mm. Options i found: Thundercat with same calipers mountings bolts (not sure if it has bigger rotors) and compression-rebound and spring regulation. SV650 gen 1 and gen 2 with compression-rebound and spring regulation but only on some % of bikes and that is it First R6 has 43mm forks sadly because they are good quality for that old suspension. Im trying to get some Thundercat and SV forks for tryout, but personally im thinking about upsidedown form R6 RJ11-RJ15 because similar weight and my track r6 in garage for tryouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synonyx Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Ordered my Progressive Springs yesterday, hoping it helps until I can afford a cartridge kit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thundercat with same calipers mountings bolts (not sure if it has bigger rotors) and compression-rebound and spring regulation. SV650 gen 1 and gen 2 with compression-rebound and spring regulation but only on some % of bikes Not sure what you're seeing in SV650 forks. They are no different than FZ07 except the damper rod is built better. If you want a 'good' damper rod, try the R3. But we're still talking damper rods and frankly very much doubt it'll make any discernible difference. Save the $50, do something else instead. The only thing the SV has that the FZ doesn't have is spring preload. The YFZ-6R has 'ok' cartridges. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF600R) Obviously much better than a damper rod by a mile, but they still need to be re-worked. The big win is readily available aftermarket rotors. Good catch @ok those calipers might indeed be identical. Like I mentioned in that other thread about rotors (http://fz07.org/thread/3545/ebc-front-brake-rotor-alert) and how the FZ07 designer didn't use any of the standard parts Yamaha has used over the years: the thundercat uses WK021L/R 300 132 5 6 150 8,5 - everything perfect except it's a 6-hole instead of a 5 hole mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modmaster Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 synonyx, Where did you order them from and how much were they? modmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delbee1 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm looking at Maxton suspension... Here's their option for the front http://maxtonsuspension.co.uk/files/gp20.htm And their 2 options for the rear; 1 - http://maxtonsuspension.co.uk/files/nr4.html 2 - http://maxtonsuspension.co.uk/files/rt10.htm They build the whole lot to rider weight and riding style, including spring rates and valving. Would be good to hear people views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hi Matt, you can add the just announced option from Ohlins for a fork cartridge kit, but details, price and availability etc is not yet announced. It is similar in construction to Matris F15, but uses the NIX layout as known from their NIX30 kits, here in 22mm. Left leg is compression with a lowspeed adjuster at the fork top, right leg is rebound with a lowspeed adjuster at the fork top and both legs have spring preload at the fork top. Looking at the pictures they seem to retain the normal NIX singlevalve setup, so it shall be interesting to see how it performs. The Yamaha MT-07 fitment is specifically listed in the product news. BR, Jan. http://www.ohlins.com/product/nix-22-series-cartridge-kit/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Actually it's comparable to the Andreani. The Matris is a proper 4-piston design and zero mod. This will require gutting the fork tube just like the Andreani to get the cartridge thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Here is a better picture which shows why I compared it to Matris, it is a combination of the two - Andreani and Matris - in that physically and fittingwise it is close to Matris and dampingwise it is closer to Andreani. I do not think that it is necessary to modify or gut the forks in any way, based on below picture: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 wow @janm, you're sleuthing is admirable. I agree with you, that pic does show no-mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskydave Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thank's for the heads up!!! JANM Lets hope Ohlins has the good proper valving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsoup Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Has anyone had a chance to compare the quality of the matris cartridge to the andreani yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Has anyone had a chance to compare the quality of the matris cartridge to the andreani yet? http://fz07.org/thread/3210/new-matris-f15-cartridge-thoughts?page=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member ratlab Posted February 6, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted February 6, 2016 i don't if this has been discussed,but ap motorsports is selling a 40 dollar bearing that allows a complete usd r6 front end to be installed.heavier and stiffer than stock,and allows for better brakes.don't know about geometry,turning lock-benefits vs. good cartridge in stock fork?-i started adding up the costs-complete r6 front end on ebay-700-1000-then maybe respringing,revalving,maybe caliper rebuild,pads,brake lines,rotors,front fender-gets pretty crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 There is precedent to the R6 graft, the SV650 community did the same thing with GSXRs especially by racers. For the Gen1 owners Zoran had a like bearing. If you're going to race the FZ07, it might be worth looking into but like you noted, bring a sack of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trustydrip Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 C. Dolan over at fz07oc is rocking a 1098 S front end... http://www.fz07oc.com/gallery/photos/20/ Also, this thread is getting interesting http://www.fz07oc.com/threads/yamaha-r6-inverted-forks-on-fz07.521/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 > The Duc 1098 S front end works well with the FZ 07, but is about 1 inch too short. > That was compensated by making the top clamp 1 inch thicker on the clamp ends and using > a 1 inch extended fork cap. Good grief, talk about trying WAY too hard. Obviously he had the mill and the inclination to do it and good on him. But it's the farthest thing from a "every man" solution. What seems to be overlooked is the front-end has to match the frame/head stock. Putting a super rigid front end on a comparatively 'wimpy' frame isn't going to help and likely to add new problems. There is nothing magical about sportbike cartridges - it's massively easier to just put the guts inside the OE forks and there's absolutely no hassle with wheels, fenders, headlights etc. The funny thing is I could have put the Ducati guts inside the FZ07, retuned the valving, and even contoured the cap to fit so at a casual glance it looked like it had the SBK-style forks. All that effort when simply lengthening the internals by an inch and he'd be done in 30 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twf Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 You can't simply extend internals by 1" on inverted forks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Zoran is that you? Alright I was over-simplifying and probably being a little flippant. The original has 120mm of travel, so going to 135 isn't out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twf Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Problem is you are limited with bushing location, especially on forks with both bushings in outer tube. Some you can extend about 10mm and some none. Reason they make longer caps for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member norwest Posted February 8, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted February 8, 2016 Problem is you are limited with bushing location, especially on forks with both bushings in outer tube. Some you can extend about 10mm and some none. Reason they make longer caps for them.Agreed, When I was at Race Tech we had some issues lengthening most forks when doing the R&D on Race Tech's 25mm cartridge kits. Very few were able to be lengthened without a issue with the bushings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan4130 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Does anyone sell the ohlins cartridge yet? '15 FZ-09 Cadmium Yellow '15 White Fz-07 - Sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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