faffi Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The magazine compared the two and found the new one made 2hp less with a 1-2 Nm loss of torque across the rev range. Differences in performance was only noticeable - barely - on the stop watch. The new used 10% less fuel, though. 2018 is one kg heavier. The suspension was said to offer more control and less comfort, with maximum rebound suggested, max half a turn out for cruising comfort, on the shock. Out of a maximum 20 points, the old shock got 10 and the new 12. Overall, the 2017 scored 631 points out of 1000, the new edition 637. Personally, studying them side by side in detail, I find the new one even less visually pleasant than the not so pretty outgoing version. Headlight, tail light, seat, radiator shroud, front fender, tank shrouds and seat have all degraded the looks. For me. Although I would never consider either based on looks alone. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigturbomax Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 42 minutes ago, faffi said: The magazine compared the two and found the new one made 2hp less with a 1-2 Nm loss of torque across the rev range. Differences in performance was only noticeable - barely - on the stop watch. The new used 10% less fuel, though. 2018 is one kg heavier. The suspension was said to offer more control and less comfort, with maximum rebound suggested, max half a turn out for cruising comfort, on the shock. Out of a maximum 20 points, the old shock got 10 and the new 12. Overall, the 2017 scored 631 points out of 1000, the new edition 637. Personally, studying them side by side in detail, I find the new one even less visually pleasant than the not so pretty outgoing version. Headlight, tail light, seat, radiator shroud, front fender, tank shrouds and seat have all degraded the looks. For me. Although I would never consider either based on looks alone. YMMV. Do you have a link to the article? Id love to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, faffi said: The suspension was said to offer more control and less comfort, with maximum rebound suggested, max half a turn out for cruising comfort, on the shock. assuming the test-rider knows how to setup suspension correctly (did they bother to post his weight?), those settings continue the unbroken pattern of FAIL from KYB. If I had to guess they pulled the same nonsense they did on the FJ09, added more built-in preload. But maybe the fork damper rods have a drilled instead of stamped hole ala R3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattonme Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 https://www.motorradonline.de/test/fahrbericht-yamaha-mt-07-2018.655886.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I personally like the looks of some of Yamaha's earlier model bikes better. I like rounded better than angles. I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two performance or looks wise but there are definitely differences and it's always going to be relative to each person. I would say a person in the market for buying one wouldn't view it the same as present FZ-07 owners do. For them it will be the same as it was for us, it will be their first FZ-07 and they're probably going to like it just as much as any previous year FZ-07 owner liked his or hers. They'll get the same big smile and declare they love their bike, despite it's faults. By the time my bike breaks for good only god knows what this bike will look like then. It may look more like a bike out of the movie, "TRON" or maybe by then they will have reverted back to old, old, old school looks and it will look more like a bicycle with an engine. Who knows? I'm sure of one thing, it will probably perform better in some ways and people are still going to be people and compare it as always. If we're thinking about the perfect bike I don't see how anyone can build anything that everyone will like. It just seems impossible. Would I buy an 18" if my bike were totaled tomorrow? I definitely would, even with it's Cylon looking headlight. *Cylon referring to the evil robots in Battlestar Galactica. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I need to learn to speak German. Motorrad looks like an entertaining site, but the online translator doesn't do all that great sometimes. But it did say the bike is 'weaselflinken'. How could anyone not want a weaselflinken bike? "With the many optimizations she is now but once again also for experienced bikers who like a weaselflinken, handy, sporty and well processed and reasonably priced motorcycle." I want to learn German just because of that word... Weaselflinken. I'll be saying that all day now. My wife says I'm such a child.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator mjh937 Posted June 12, 2018 Global Moderator Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hp and 1-2 Nm is probably within the error level of the dyno, especially if the runs were done on different days. It would not surprise me to see that difference on two different 2017 bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, rider said: I need to learn to speak German. Motorrad looks like an entertaining site, but the online translator doesn't do all that great sometimes. But it did say the bike is 'weaselflinken'. How could anyone not want a weaselflinken bike? "With the many optimizations she is now but once again also for experienced bikers who like a weaselflinken, handy, sporty and well processed and reasonably priced motorcycle." I want to learn German just because of that word... Weaselflinken. I'll be saying that all day now. My wife says I'm such a child.... LOL! Tell her she married the child. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 Wieselflinken could be translated into "quick as a weasel", or, in this contact, quick-steering The comparison test is not online yet, it's in the last magazine. Bikes were dynoed on the same day; different consumption and power suggest the newer bike, probably due to production tolerances, were running a little leaner. Despite the fork said to have stiffer springs and more rebound, they did not notice much difference. The shock still was considered marginal when it came to rebound for sporting use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregjet Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 My absolute favourite German word is "trotzdem". One short word for "despite the fact that" is just elegant. We need an English equivalent. Of course I love " Stossdampfer", but then I love "shock absorber" just as much. Go forth and modify my son...go forth and modify... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member bornagainbiker Posted June 14, 2018 Premium Member Share Posted June 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, gregjet said: My absolute favourite German word is "trotzdem". One short word for "despite the fact that" is just elegant. We need an English equivalent. How about regardless or nevertheless? Give Respect To Get Respect https://jeff-galbraith.pixels.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 German and Norwegian have a lot in common, many words are similar or resembling. Of course, we also share many words with English as well, but our language is closer related to German. Our word for trotzdem is "likevel", so very different. But we say "støtdemper" for their Stossdämpfer. And their word for Norway is more accurate than our own; we say either Norge (most common and inherited from the time we were governed by Denmark) or Noreg (more traditional). The latter is a shortened version of Nordvegen, The way north. Germans call it Norwegen. BTW, did you know that Rucksack comes from the Norwegian word Ryggsekk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregjet Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 " regardless or nevertheless". They aren't quite right. Some swaps of those just sound akward. Anyway, I like it. Go forth and modify my son...go forth and modify... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 hours ago, faffi said: BTW, did you know that Rucksack comes from the Norwegian word Ryggsekk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Oooooh, Inga! Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Beemer said: Oooooh, Inga! "> Yeah, right? I didn't post that clip. Gotta keep it family friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrien Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I noticed that sitting on an 18 model the handle bars seemed lower and farther way .I believe this is because of the new seat. I'm glad I bought my 17 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 Test is now online https://www.motorradonline.de/test/yamaha-mt-07-modelljahr-2017-und-2018-test.1012380.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo10 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Spoken "Veaselflinken" (am I right?). I would like to learn German just for all those sounds it makes. And "despite the fact that" often gets shortened now by dropping "the fact" - as English evolves. Perhaps we could promote, say, "troten", and get rid of "nevertheless" too. Just do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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