phanomenal07 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 How do I do it? lol. So is it as straight forward as lifting the rear removing the 2 bolts and slapping the new one on or is there more I should know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, phanomenal07 said: How do I do it? lol. So is it as straight forward as lifting the rear removing the 2 bolts and slapping the new one on or is there more I should know? Nailed it. You might have to use a little clever English to line up the holes depending on which shock you have in there and how things dangle but it's easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, phanomenal07 said: How do I do it? lol. So is it as straight forward as lifting the rear removing the 2 bolts and slapping the new one on or is there more I should know? You lift and support the rear part of the frame, so that there is no weight on the rear tire. Then you can shim the rear tire so that when you remove any suspension bolts not much moves. That way your bolt holes stay close to lined up. You can lower or raise the rear tire slightly as needed to get the bolts back in. 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanomenal07 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 Thanks alot guys. Are there any bushings I have to remove clean or grease when i do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 Also, unless I was missing a good trick, I had to loosen and pull the swingarm pivot bolt out a couple inches along with the left rear set plate in order to make room to get the lower dog bone link bolt out. Something to be aware of. But maybe I'm remembering the process wrong. Its been a couple years. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member DewMan Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, blackout said: Also, unless I was missing a good trick, I had to loosen and pull the swingarm pivot bolt out a couple inches along with the left rear set plate in order to make room to get the lower dog bone link bolt out. Something to be aware of. But maybe I'm remembering the process wrong. Its been a couple years. the only thing I had to remove to replace my OEM shock was the plastic fender if my memory serves. DewMan Just shut up and ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 Are referring to AP’s Doge Bone Linkage? I installed mine when I had the swing arm off. If you have rearsets with non-folding pegs, you can support the rear of the bike by placing them on small jack stands. I had a front stand holding the bike up and a small floor jack under the engine to support the rear. You do not need to remove the swing arm. The picture shows the bolts and location. Notice the thread location on the top bolt. The AP link is thicker than the stock one, I got a longer Yamaha bolt to get proper thread engagement. I may have the part number somewhere. I think the factory shock uses to different length bolts, I used two of the longer ones. Ed "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 All installed. Notice the threads just past the nuts on the longer bolt on the linkage "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanomenal07 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Evill_Ed said: Are referring to AP’s Doge Bone Linkage? I installed mine when I had the swing arm off. If you have rearsets with non-folding pegs, you can support the rear of the bike by placing them on small jack stands. I had a front stand holding the bike up and a small floor jack under the engine to support the rear. You do not need to remove the swing arm. The picture shows the bolts and location. Notice the thread location on the top bolt. The AP link is thicker than the stock one, I got a longer Yamaha bolt to get proper thread engagement. I may have the part number somewhere. I think the factory shock uses to different length bolts, I used two of the longer ones. Ed If you could get me that part number I would appreciate it. Is it a special bolt or can I just get one anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 If you have a good local hardware store a grade 10.9 metric will be strong enough. That's what I did. Or Mc-Master Carr. 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 parts number 2 and 3 90105-10283-00 - BOLT, FLANGE 95602-10200-00 - NUT,SELF 1 1 "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanomenal07 Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Evill_Ed said: parts number 2 and 3 90105-10283-00 - BOLT, FLANGE 95602-10200-00 - NUT,SELF So dont use the standard bolt that was on the linkage and use the bolt that the shock use to mount to the bell crank instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, phanomenal07 said: So dont use the standard bolt that was on the linkage and use the bolt that the shock use to mount to the bell crank instead? Measure it to be sure. The bolt on mine is part 90105-10283-00. Overall length, From the outside of the bolt head to the outside of the threads, is 60mm. I want to say it was a few mm longer than the original and it made up the difference for the thicker AP linkage. I may be confusing this with rear shock bolt, I think the Razor mount was thicker also. I may have used the longer bolt there. just be sure that the threads on the bolt stick out past the nut on the AP link bolt. You want full thread engagement. Ed "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member fzar Posted January 4, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Evill_Ed said: Measure it to be sure. The bolt on mine is part 90105-10283-00. Overall length, From the outside of the bolt head to the outside of the threads, is 60mm. I want to say it was a few mm longer than the original and it made up the difference for the thicker AP linkage. I may be confusing this with rear shock bolt, I think the Razor mount was thicker also. I may have used the longer bolt there. just be sure that the threads on the bolt stick out past the nut on the AP link bolt. You want full thread engagement. Ed Good to know, here I was thinking it was a straight swap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, blackout said: Also, unless I was missing a good trick, I had to loosen and pull the swingarm pivot bolt out a couple inches along with the left rear set plate in order to make room to get the lower dog bone link bolt out. Something to be aware of. But maybe I'm remembering the process wrong. Its been a couple years. Take rear shock bolt out so you can move swinger up or down a bit to get bolts out. Swearing once helps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HulkHogan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Does this ride height link cause a different effect than adjusting the ride height on a shock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, HulkHogan said: Does this ride height link cause a different effect than adjusting the ride height on a shock? Corrects the swingarm angle (closer to 13 degs) and raises the rear of the bike (especially with a longer shock) which essentially sharpens the steering head angle and puts more weight on the front as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 5, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 hours ago, HulkHogan said: Does this ride height link cause a different effect than adjusting the ride height on a shock? A shorter link, like the AP link, keeps the bell crank in it's sweet spot while raising the rear at the same time. A lengthened shock will increase ride height, but the bell crank gets pivoted back and becomes less effective in its initial compression stroke. The stroke becomes less linear. Not to mention, cleavis clearance becomes an issue. A shorter link is the way to go on a performance oriented bike. 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanomenal07 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 hours ago, blackout said: If you have a good local hardware store a grade 10.9 metric will be strong enough. That's what I did. Or Mc-Master Carr. I dont know what this means but do you have the size bolt you used? Is it just a regular bolt that I need to get or is it a special something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 5, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, phanomenal07 said: I dont know what this means but do you have the size bolt you used? Is it just a regular bolt that I need to get or is it a special something. 10.9 is the strength rating. It is stamped on the head of the bolt usually. I don't remember the exact size. If you have a local Runnings store, bring the stock bolt to the store and get one the next step longer. Maybe another 5mm longer. There is nothing special with the yamaha bolts. Any will work you just need the same diameter and long enough and at least 10.9 strength rating. A different thread pitch is fine too, you just need a new matching nut. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 5, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 5, 2020 8.8 is the standard metric strength rating for fasteners. To be on the safe side use only 10.9 or 12.9 on suspension parts. The stock bolt has a flanged head. A flanged head is not needed, adding a metric washer is fine. Like mentioned earlier, a longer bolt is just needed to get the proper thread engagement. Since the AP link is machined from aluminum, it is wider for adequate strength, so a longer bolt is needed. 2 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1tondriver Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Can anyone comment on needing longer bolt/bolts when installing the Robem Linear Linkage? Can I assume the extra length is needed like the AP link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 5, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, 1tondriver said: Can anyone comment on needing longer bolt/bolts when installing the Robem Linear Linkage? Can I assume the extra length is needed like the AP link? Probably thicker as well since it is also machined from aluminum. 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member fzar Posted January 5, 2020 Premium Member Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, 1tondriver said: Can anyone comment on needing longer bolt/bolts when installing the Robem Linear Linkage? Can I assume the extra length is needed like the AP link? Ask @Spatt if anyone knows, I'm sure he does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1tondriver Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, fzar said: Ask @Spatt if anyone knows, I'm sure he does. I sent him a message but thought I would as while waiting. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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