XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I have a full titanium akropovic exhaust with no db killer all my other attachments are just visual. The main reason I want to do the tune is to adjust the fuel to air ratio to accommodate my new exhaust. Keep in mind I am a new rider this is my first bike and haven't really rode it to much yet. I am not a fan of wheelies and I never want them to happen! I decided to leave the snorkel in since im a beginner rider don't really want to add to much extra power. Some questions are does it make the bike smoother in general like smoother throttle response?? Also i hear people saying it decreases engine braking severely Im not even sure what engine braking is to be honest ?? Also it removes all gear based and speed dependent restrictions as well as the TRE what does this do?? Basically im trying to make the bike work perfect with my setup and make it run smooth and safe. One of my main objectives though is to not get my front wheel up. If you guys could explain answers to my questions and give me recommendations that would be great ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civiltechyyc Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 This may be an unpopular opinion here but I think there’s a lot of misinformation on ECU flashing given by some users lately. IMO - it’s best to call 2WDW and ask them your specific questions. They’ll have years of R&D and user experiences to backup their comments. I just got my ECU back from them but I’m still waiting 5 weeks now for my Akra Carbon... FML. But, in the spirit of this being a forum for user to user discussion. Yes, it should level out the power distribution across the throttle curve a little bit so that it’s noticeable. Engine braking is reduced so that when you close the throttle at say 60mph you don’t feel the bike slow down as fast. You can coast for a little bit without any throttle and not loose 20mph in 5 seconds. Also best way to keep the front wheel down is throttle control. It’s mostly about your right wrist. Take it easy in 1st and 2nd and don’t crack it wide open from a standstill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Pursuvant Posted May 13, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, XATTILAX said: I have a full titanium akropovic exhaust My $.01 cent. If the Akra is still in the box, return it. Take the funds and start working on what will make a difference for a new rider - education. And if you feel you have to invest in hardware, work the things that the factory left for the buyer to get sorted out. The suspension. Plenty to read up on to find the legs that are right for you. And right away, replace the stock brake pads up front with EBC "HH", about $100, because it works. All this assumes you have a premium helmet already Edited May 13, 2021 by Pursuvant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Jim Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I think it's a mistake for any rider to modify a motorcycle at all before riding it for a substantial amount of time as-is. I feel this way even more since you're a new rider. As Pursuvant said, spend your effort on learning to ride safely and getting good riding gear. Yamaha did a darned good job of building an all-around excellent motorcycle that I find a real pleasure to ride in stock form, and I've been riding for 43 years. I just got back from getting my second Moderna vaccine and took the long way home, enjoying hearing the wind rather than exhaust noise. I used to wear armored jeans when riding, but ever since my first crash at the supermoto track when I was wearing leather pants and a heavy leather jacket, I don't ride in any other gear. That crash made my brain expect pain, but when I hit the track it felt like I fell into a pile of feathers. I can't recommend good leather gear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Pursuvant said: My $.01 cent. If the Akra is still in the box, return it. Take the funds and start working on what will make a difference for a new rider - education. And if you feel you have to invest in hardware, work the things that the factory left for the buyer to get sorted out. The suspension. Plenty to read up on to find the legs that are right for you. And right away, replace the stock brake pads up front with EBC "HH", about $100, because it works. All this assumes you have a premium helmet already The thing is i bought it used and it came with the exhaust on it but the guy never tuned it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Triple Jim said: I think it's a mistake for any rider to modify a motorcycle at all before riding it for a substantial amount of time as-is. I feel this way even more since you're a new rider. As Pursuvant said, spend your effort on learning to ride safely and getting good riding gear. Yamaha did a darned good job of building an all-around excellent motorcycle that I find a real pleasure to ride in stock form, and I've been riding for 43 years. I just got back from getting my second Moderna vaccine and took the long way home, enjoying hearing the wind rather than exhaust noise. I used to wear armored jeans when riding, but ever since my first crash at the supermoto track when I was wearing leather pants and a heavy leather jacket, I don't ride in any other gear. That crash made my brain expect pain, but when I hit the track it felt like I fell into a pile of feathers. I can't recommend good leather gear enough. The thing is i bought it used and it came with the exhaust on it but the guy never tuned it ! Also proper gear is taken care of!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Jim Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, XATTILAX said: The thing is i bought it used and it came with the exhaust on it but the guy never tuned it ! Also proper gear is taken care of!! Excellent about your gear! Maybe consider asking Akrapovič if that pipe needs a reflash. Edited May 13, 2021 by Triple Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Triple Jim said: Excellent about your gear! Maybe consider asking Akropoviç if that pipe needs a reflash. I talked to a bunch of people and they said I need it to make the air and fuel ratio correct since it’s not a slip on it’s a full exhaust change ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, XATTILAX said: I talked to a bunch of people and they said I need it to make the air and fuel ratio correct since it’s not a slip on it’s a full exhaust change ! According to Akrapovic, the exhaust system you have does not require remapping/flashing. Don't let the internet horror stories about "snatchy throttles" and such get you too anxious. When I get in I'll hit up your advice for beginners thread. I taught my 40 yo wife how to ride a dirt bike, and she's never been on a bicycle. My 65 yo Mom took my 07 around the yard after a minutes worth of advice. You got this, bro. You just gotta get your head in the right place. I'll shout at ya later today buddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Jim Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, XATTILAX said: I talked to a bunch of people and they said I need it to make the air and fuel ratio correct since it’s not a slip on it’s a full exhaust change ! As demonstrated by shinyribs' post, a bunch of people don't know 1/10 as much as the manufacturer of the system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, shinyribs said: According to Akrapovic, the exhaust system you have does not require remapping/flashing. Don't let the internet horror stories about "snatchy throttles" and such get you too anxious. When I get in I'll hit up your advice for beginners thread. I taught my 40 yo wife how to ride a dirt bike, and she's never been on a bicycle. My 65 yo Mom took my 07 around the yard after a minutes worth of advice. You got this, bro. You just gotta get your head in the right place. I'll shout at ya later today buddy. People say after the flash the bike is just more smooth in general what do you think to me 240$ is no big deal to make my bike perform better the only thing is i just don't want it popping the front wheel up. Also i would really appreciate it if you hit me up later with some good tips like you said that would be amazing! Im 17 btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XATTILAX Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Triple Jim said: As demonstrated by shinyribs' post, a bunch of people don't know 1/10 as much as the manufacturer of the system! What is that supposed to mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Jim Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, XATTILAX said: What is that supposed to mean I meant that the manufacturer of the exhaust system knows a lot more about how it performs and what may or may not be needed to be done to the fuel mapping than the general population. You said that a bunch of people told you that the exhaust system requires that the ECU get a reflash, but shinyribs has apparently learned from Akrapovič that it does not. Edited May 13, 2021 by Triple Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Pursuvant Posted May 13, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted May 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, shinyribs said: My 65 yo Mom took my 07 around the yard after a minutes worth of advice Let her know she can pick up more guys if she cruises the block instead of the yard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Pursuvant Posted May 13, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted May 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, XATTILAX said: What is that supposed to mean It means you're on the web, and we all blather... If you really want to know forget the yappers like me, get your tools out, and just do it. Prove yourself - right or wrong - because both outcomes make you a winner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Pursuvant said: Let her know she can pick up more guys if she cruises the block instead of the yard Honestly made me laugh out loud Thank you sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Pursuvant Posted May 14, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, shinyribs said: Honestly made me laugh out loud "> Thank you sir A gift of laughter for your mom, I think we all agree with that spirit we like her already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmett Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 OK, very good advice for a new rider, etc. But I know you dont want to hear that. So... If your akro is the full system, made exclusively for the MT/FZ07 and has the included catalytic converter, then you don't need the reflash. If it's a 'slip on', you don't need the reflash, but if it's a full akro that includes the header pipes and NO catalytic converter, then yes, you do need the reflash. You should do your intake mod BEFORE you reflash, even if it's just the snork removal. Everytime you make any mod to the intake/exhaust you must reflash, other than just the slip on. It can get expensive to reflash over and over, so take the snork off first...it won't make that much difference in power, that you have to fear it, but it will save you some $. And my advice is to get a db killer. The sound difference isn't all that great (tho I do prefer the louder option), but more important is the loss of midrange power the lack of a db killer (baffle) will cause. No baffle will increase your top end, but at the expense of midrange power. And let's face it...we don't live at the extreme revs, unless we are tracking exclusively. Most of us live in the low and midrange, so that's where we want the throttle response and power. In order to meet the emissions regulations, the factories tune most motorcycles very 'lean' to begin with. When we modify the intake/exhaust, the bikes run even more 'lean'. That can quickly lead to valve damage, etc due to more airflow and no change in the gas flow. That's what flashing corrects, by increasing the fuel available when you 'give it the beans'. Akro made a FZ07 specific full system that was available from Yamaha dealers and included the catalytic converter. It even had the 'FZ07' badging on the can. That's the only full system that did not require a reflash. It should cost around $50 to reflash, at least that's what my dealer gets. Hope that helps. Ride fast, take chances!! Just joking, fool. Ride safely and do have fun. Ride your own ride and don't let your friends goad you into riding beyond your ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 This is the exhaust he has. It is a full system, but Akrapovic says no remap required. In the product description. Akrapovic Yamaha FZ-07 / MT-07 2014-2020 Racing Line Titanium Full Exhaust Purchase the Akrapovic Yamaha FZ-07 / MT-07 2014-2020 Racing Line Titanium Full Exhaust from SportbikeTrackGear.com Get the lowest price, free shipping deal, easy exchanges and no restocking fees - Guaranteed! Here's another Akrapovic, not the Titanium, and Akrapovic also says this full system requires no remapping. In the product description. Akrapovic Racing Exhaust System Yamaha FZ-07 / MT-07 2015-2020 | 10% ($110.09) Off! Born from racing, this stainless steel exhaust system represents the most advanced and high-performance exhaust to ever come out of Europe. Akrapoci's Racing Line Carbon is the only pipe they sell for the 07 that doesn't say no remapping required. They also don't specify that remapping is required, so that will be open to interpretation. Akrapovic Yamaha FZ-07 / MT-07 2015-2020 Carbon Racing Full Exhaust System Purchase the Akrapovic Yamaha FZ-07 / MT-07 2015-2020 Carbon Racing Full Exhaust System from SportbikeTrackGear.com Get the lowest price, free shipping deal, easy exchanges and no restocking fees - Guaranteed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A. Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, shinyribs said: ... Here's another Akrapovic, not the Titanium, and Akrapovic also says this full system requires no remapping... Nice write up! To be fair, though, the webpage referenced above (for the stainless steel system) also states: I don’t think anyone is claiming the bike won’t run with an full Akra system and a stock ECU. Rather, the consensus seems to be that it won’t run as well as it can (or should) if you don’t also adjust the air/fuel mixture. That appears to be Revzilla’s stance as well. Seems like a logical position to take, too. I mean, if you’re going to have a thousand dollar pipe on your bike, you might as well take advantage of its capabilities. But whatever the configuration — OEM can vs. Akra system, flashed ECU vs. stock mapping — the difference in performance is not going to be so drastic as to make his motorcycle docile in one iteration and a wheelie monster in another. It’s a powerful bike regardless of what mods are done to it. Edited May 14, 2021 by D.A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 RevZilla just wants to sell you a fuel controller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenMT07 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just curious, how much does the exhaust system and reflash effect the MPG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member cornerslider Posted May 14, 2021 Premium Member Share Posted May 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, GoldenMT07 said: Just curious, how much does the exhaust system and reflash effect the MPG? Mine dropped by 15-20%.... I don't care, because it does everything better after the flash - 2 ""W.O.T. until you see god, then brake" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A. Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, shinyribs said: RevZilla just wants to sell you a fuel controller. Could be! But by the same token it’s possible Akrapovic downplays the need for fueling adjustments because they want to sell pipes and know if they warn prospective customers that after spending $900 for the exhaust system, they’ll have to pony-up another $250-$500 to correct fueling, it could be a huge disincentive. That hidden cost certainly made me think twice the first time I looked into aftermarket pipes. In that sense, Revzilla is potentially losing sales by telling customers up front that new pipes will not be 100% plug-and-play. Edited May 14, 2021 by D.A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Jim Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 4 hours ago, GoldenMT07 said: Just curious, how much does the exhaust system and reflash effect the MPG? I'm one who really appreciates the 60+ mpg I get with my completely stock MT. I like longish rides and enjoy going 200 miles between fuel stops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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