RobMoore Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 ... after sitting in the sun all day. I don't know if it's related to that, but there was what looked like an error message when I turned it on. I don't quite remember what it said, something like "speed" but with the characters broken up. Eventually it fired up, but I had to give it a dozen tries first. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator mjh937 Posted August 4, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted August 4, 2015 Error message would have been "sd" followed by a number. Perhaps it was a fuel vapor lock. If you notice the last two digits of the error code next time someone can look it up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMoore Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yup, that was it. I will take note of the numbers next time if it happens. I can look it up in my service manual. I was kinda pissed off (and not looking forward to hearing my wife's reaction to having to come pick me and my new bike up), and I wasn't thinking to remember them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaha Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 These bikes don't seem the best starters. Mine has acted up a couple times where it would not start easily. Mine (the wife's too) usually has to turn over a bit before it fires up. Previous fuel injected bikes were immediate. Cracking the throttle a bit seems to help and letting the fuel pump cycle fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amycyclenut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 This jives with my experience too. Previous FI bikes I've had fired up practically instantaneously but this bike takes noticeably longer. At least now I know it's "normal". 2015 FZ-07 1986 FZ600 1974 CB450 1973 RD350 sold: 1970 CB350, 1972 CB175, 2009 Vespa S 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted August 6, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2015 Took mine in today for the 12k service, im having them look into this issue since its only started acting up in the past 1k miles or so. Ill let ya guys know if they find anything out of whack ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMoore Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 I would also like to add that mine as well takes longer than my other bikes to start, about 2-3 seconds of cranking as opposed to a 1/2 second on my ZX6r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member yamahappy74 Posted August 6, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted August 6, 2015 I've noticed it too. I'm only a little over 1,300 miles but it wasn't doing this until recently. I guess I just figured it was time for an oil change and that's why it was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member hobbs Posted August 6, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted August 6, 2015 With the ignition on, moving the switch from kill to run will kick on a pump. I believe it pressurizes the fuel rails. You guys letting that happen first? Or just going from kill to trying to start the motor without letting it prime? Everything went braap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaha Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I always let the fuel pump cycle fully, even on my car, before starting. Rushing it could have been the issue one time my bike did not start. Lineup of traffic waiting for me ... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted August 7, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted August 7, 2015 Turns out my throttle cable was opening one of the throttle bodies a bit too early, causing an odd vibration and the hard start condition ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googletx Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Error message would have been "sd" followed by a number. Perhaps it was a fuel vapor lock. If you notice the last two digits of the error code next time someone can look it up for you. I had this same thing happen to me over the weekend. I got an error message of Sd_ _ 19. Does anybody know what could of caused it to throw this code and not start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMoore Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Kickstand switch? That's what my manual says 19 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisaurusrex Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 You can't have the engine running and the bike in gear with the kickstand down. Was that the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMoore Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Not for me it wasn't. Mine was in neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaha Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Turns out my throttle cable was opening one of the throttle bodies a bit too early, causing an odd vibration and the hard start conditionInteresting. I never thought to look at that when I was in there doing the sync. Throttle body sync would be nigh impossible if this were the case I imagine. What I used to do on outboard engines was run a wire from each butterfly linkage to a common point. By watching the tips of the wires I could tell if the butterflies were opening at the same time whilst cracking the throttle. A poor man's carb sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The engine is fitted with a auto decompresser to give the small battery and lightweight starter a little help with spinning over the engine maybe that as something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwpowere36m3 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Turns out my throttle cable was opening one of the throttle bodies a bit too early, causing an odd vibration and the hard start conditionInteresting. I never thought to look at that when I was in there doing the sync. Throttle body sync would be nigh impossible if this were the case I imagine. What I used to do on outboard engines was run a wire from each butterfly linkage to a common point. By watching the tips of the wires I could tell if the butterflies were opening at the same time whilst cracking the throttle. A poor man's carb sync. That's because he worded it incorrectly. Both butterflies are on a common shaft. If one moves, they both move. TB sync does not alter their relationship, it simply changes how much air is bypassed via a screw/needle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member wickedtwister Posted August 11, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted August 11, 2015 Some FI systems need to see two crank/cam position signals before it activates the coils the ensures that they are firing on the compression stroke. I think this is why these bikes take so long to start. Of course I have no proof, but my bike seems to take one full revolution to fire up. I had the same issue you had one time and I walked away for a few hours and it was fine again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwpowere36m3 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I've noticed the same, at 1800 miles it definitely takes an extra second for the bike to start… If it's really hot out, it takes a little longer (assuming is partially vapor lock). I always shut the bike off via the key and when I turn it on, I wait for the pump to cycle before engaging the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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