Premium Member rowdy Posted May 22, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted May 22, 2016 I just found this article online: CycleWorld Comparison: Ducati Scrambler Icon vs. Triumph Street Twin vs. Yamaha FZ-07 I'm not sure I agree with their conclusions, especially about styling, but having only ridden the FZ, I can't really comment on some of the other stuff. Still, it's interesting. Why can't left turners see us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2wheeler Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 OK, so I'm convinced - this reviewer is an a..hole!!! When you say "the FZ-07’s liquid-cooled, eight-valve, 689cc parallel-twin engine is the least charismatic of this group", and then follows it up with "Wind it out, however, and there’s no mistaking it comes from the same factory as the crossplane YZF-R1. Low-end and midrange torque are excellent, making for smooth takeoffs. Power falls flat at higher revs, but even so the “little” Yamaha made the most ponies in this group (67.8 hp), outgunning the bigger Ducati (67.1 hp) by a few decimal points. But what really makes the FZ-07 feel sporty is its slick-shifting close-ratio six-speed transmission, which begs to be rowed and gives the ride a sense of urgency", you are an IDIOT!!! Don't even get me started on his dissing the looks of the FZ-07... ..and then he says, "Our silver testbike also had a gag-inducing purple frame and wheels" Well, I think my wheels and frame freaking look AWESOME!!! Nuf said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member rowdy Posted May 22, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted May 22, 2016 The burple wheels and frame do look awesome! It's one of the reasons I bought my bike. Why can't left turners see us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Interesting how we turn to professionals for a good, solid review at times and in the process we unexpectedly hear things we don't like hearing and figuratively get sand kicked in our faces. The blurple remark was unnecessary and some of his comparisons off. Not the best review. My question now is what's the reason for the longest stopping times of the bunch? I'm looking at the tires and their compound since this was also the lightest bike. I'm betting that softer, grippier tires would help. You would think he could've said something like better tires or this or that would help but he didn't. I hope he doesn't get any for a month. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 My FZ's front brake pretty much sucked until I'd given it a good bleed that required lifting one of the calipers up high enough to get rid of that loop of hose between the 2 calipers. Maybe their example was also spongy. It's OK, 2 years ago, our FZ was winning comparo after comparo. They seem to favor new stuff over old - even if old is just year 2. Let someone else have the spotlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30kawi Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I read this the other week, thought the author was a moron as well. Talks about how good and practical the 07 is and then cuts it down in the conclusion. I get it, the bike can't win all the time but the way this article was presented I wasn't a fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Coincidentally, that was my last issue of Cycle World - literally. Decided to let my subscription lapse a few issues ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member rowdy Posted May 23, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted May 23, 2016 My take... It is weird that he says "To Yamaha’s credit, however, the FZ-07 still got a pair of four-piston front brake calipers, giving it the most stopping power of this bunch" and then goes on to say "even if it somehow posted the longest stopping distances". MOST STOPPING POWER <> LONGEST STOPPING DISTANCE" Maybe they did the stop tests before the riding and the brakes had become firmer? The FZ was the fastest by far 0-60, 40-60, and only lost by 0.1 sec 60-80 to the Scrambler. The Triumph is just a slow pig. Also, he says of the FZ: "What “retro” will look like in the future", maybe that's a compliment? Because retro from the time when Triumph Bonnies were cool is cool now? He says of the Triumph "More “vintage Triumph” in spirit, yet a better modern bike than the last-gen Bonnie". I say too little too late. It's still a poser bike for the hipsters. The Ducati is very nice, but I'll still take FZ for price(better)/performance(better) reliability(better), parts availability(better), and serviceability(better). I agree it was a pretty lame comparo, and I'm still loving my FZ-07! Why can't left turners see us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwpowere36m3 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'm not impressed with the FZ-07 front brakes (especially considering the twin rotor/four-pot design)... my old '86 Kawasaki 454 with single, non-floating rotor has better feel and power. They feel "dead" initially and require a lot of lever force to generate stopping power. I'm thinking a set of HH pads maybe will do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30kawi Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I'm not impressed with the FZ-07 front brakes (especially considering the twin rotor/four-pot design)... my old '86 Kawasaki 454 with single, non-floating rotor has better feel and power. They feel "dead" initially and require a lot of lever force to generate stopping power. I'm thinking a set of HH pads maybe will do the trick. I agree about the brakes being so so. But I always assumed they maybe felt worse by the sloppy soft front suspension tossing about under braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I'm not impressed with the FZ-07 front brakes (especially considering the twin rotor/four-pot design)... my old '86 Kawasaki 454 with single, non-floating rotor has better feel and power. They feel "dead" initially and require a lot of lever force to generate stopping power. I'm thinking a set of HH pads maybe will do the trick. Put HH pads on my Aprilia for the 1st time last fall and considering taking them off. They're terrible in slop/go traffic as they tend to judder as you come to a stop. They're also hard on the rotors - those are also brand new EBCs as are the braided lines. As for feel or stopping distance, not felt much of a change from the old stuff - maybe a bit stronger and lever feel is better, but that's from replacing 13 year old hoses and rotors. These are HH pads meant for fast street riding as opposed to track. That loop of hose that goes from one caliper up and over to the other is a perfect place for an air bubble to hide. Bleeding w/o removing one caliper and holding it up high might not get a bubble out of that loop. My FZ's front brake now feels much, much better. Oh, the Andreani cartridge does take every mm of that sloppy dive out of the front suspension under hard braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwpowere36m3 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I'm not impressed with the FZ-07 front brakes (especially considering the twin rotor/four-pot design)... my old '86 Kawasaki 454 with single, non-floating rotor has better feel and power. They feel "dead" initially and require a lot of lever force to generate stopping power. I'm thinking a set of HH pads maybe will do the trick. Put HH pads on my Aprilia for the 1st time last fall and considering taking them off. They're terrible in slop/go traffic as they tend to judder as you come to a stop. They're also hard on the rotors - those are also brand new EBCs as are the braided lines. As for feel or stopping distance, not felt much of a change from the old stuff - maybe a bit stronger and lever feel is better, but that's from replacing 13 year old hoses and rotors. These are HH pads meant for fast street riding as opposed to track. That loop of hose that goes from one caliper up and over to the other is a perfect place for an air bubble to hide. Bleeding w/o removing one caliper and holding it up high might not get a bubble out of that loop. My FZ's front brake now feels much, much better. Oh, the Andreani cartridge does take every mm of that sloppy dive out of the front suspension under hard braking. You didn't care for the EBC HH pads? I just ordered a set for the FZ-07, was hoping to improve initial bite and feel. I'll probably bleed the brakes, but they don't feel spongy. Just kind of dead initially and a higher level of lever force. Maybe it's the size of the MC, but already there's a good amount of lever travel. Fork upgrade is in the works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbatrossCafe Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Worst piece of literature I have ever read in my entire life Dual headlights or deathhttp://fz07.org/thread/5384/albatrosscafes-galleryhttp://fz07.org/thread/5174/dual-headlight-upgrade-completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdaddybane Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 This goes beyond biased review. I guess outsold brands in this category like Ducati and Triumph might be greasing up few wallets for a favorable review ... nothing new, it happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member avanti Posted May 25, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted May 25, 2016 Given how positive all the reviews for the 07 were when it arrived, I thought the comments in this article pretty tepid, surprisingly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted May 31, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted May 31, 2016 Put HH pads on my Aprilia for the 1st time last fall and considering taking them off. They're terrible in slop/go traffic as they tend to judder as you come to a stop. They're also hard on the rotors - those are also brand new EBCs as are the braided lines. As for feel or stopping distance, not felt much of a change from the old stuff - maybe a bit stronger and lever feel is better, but that's from replacing 13 year old hoses and rotors. These are HH pads meant for fast street riding as opposed to track. That loop of hose that goes from one caliper up and over to the other is a perfect place for an air bubble to hide. Bleeding w/o removing one caliper and holding it up high might not get a bubble out of that loop. My FZ's front brake now feels much, much better. Oh, the Andreani cartridge does take every mm of that sloppy dive out of the front suspension under hard braking. You didn't care for the EBC HH pads? I just ordered a set for the FZ-07, was hoping to improve initial bite and feel. I'll probably bleed the brakes, but they don't feel spongy. Just kind of dead initially and a higher level of lever force. Maybe it's the size of the MC, but already there's a good amount of lever travel. Fork upgrade is in the works... The ebc.hh pads for the 07 arent that bad even with stock lines and shorty levers the feel is much better than stock pads I plan on upgrading the lines to braided shortly ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 An even goofier review is MotorCyclist's recent comparo between the new Street Triple, Victory Octane, Yamaha Bolt and some Harley - (can't remember which as there's no place in my brain for it) So, a std versus 3 feet-forward, reach for the bars, cruisers. Guess which won, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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