Premium Member blackout Posted July 12, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted July 12, 2017 With only one trackday under my belt, I think I'm hooked. This winter I hope to build an FZ07R using my current street FZ-07. My current bike already has most all the suspension goodies, so it's really only the R bodywork that will be added and maybe a little motor work. I hope to attend more track days this year and next year to learn how to ride better and then eventually get my race license. Not really sure how that works? Might be a stupid question, but how good do you have to be to race? In other words, how do you know when you are ready? Anyhow, it's clear that the FZ-07 will benefit in the aerodynamic department on the long straights with the R bodywork, so that's the main reason for the upgrade. My head faring helped a ton, but I know it's adding turbulence at higher that highway speeds. Listed below are the current upgrades on my bike. K-Tech fork cartridges Nitron R3 shock Custom rear suspension link Ohlins custom front mounted steering damper Woodcraft rear sets Woodcraft sliders all around Tyga custom exhaust FTecu bike side Data-Link Drag handle bars Bridgestone S21 tires Oh yah, with this my street bike, I will want to add lights to keep the bike street legal. Maybe something I can easily remove when I go to the track. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axemanblue Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Might be a stupid question, but how good do you have to be to race? In other words, how do you know when you are ready? Not a stupid question at all, but maybe I'm biased because I asked it too. ;-) I have similar racing plans (track days are awesome, aren't they?) and my gauge is a simple one. At the tracks I go to the club racers are the ones in the A group. When I'm fast enough to mix it up with them is when I plan to get my race license--because they're they people I'll be racing against. I didn't see what area you live in, but I've found it really helpful to start doing track days at tracks that I eventually plan to race at. I've come across more than one club racer there doing testing or prep, and they've been happy to share their experiences and insight. Someone has a FZ07 race build thread that details all the steps he took to modifying his bike. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it here if I do. Congrats on getting bit by track bug. Now be prepared to break out your wallet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 12, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted July 12, 2017 Might be a stupid question, but how good do you have to be to race? In other words, how do you know when you are ready? Not a stupid question at all, but maybe I'm biased because I asked it too. ;-) I have similar racing plans (track days are awesome, aren't they?) and my gauge is a simple one. At the tracks I go to the club racers are the ones in the A group. When I'm fast enough to mix it up with them is when I plan to get my race license--because they're they people I'll be racing against. I didn't see what area you live in, but I've found it really helpful to start doing track days at tracks that I eventually plan to race at. I've come across more than one club racer there doing testing or prep, and they've been happy to share their experiences and insight. Someone has a FZ07 race build thread that details all the steps he took to modifying his bike. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it here if I do. Congrats on getting bit by track bug. Now be prepared to break out your wallet... Good info, thanks. I live in Canandaigua, NY. The closest track is NYST, but they only have races for 300cc bikes for zoning or maybe insurance reasons. Not sure.... They only have been open since 2013. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axemanblue Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not familiar with the club racing circuit on your side of the country. Hopefully someone else can chime in about that. This is the race build I mentioned, for your reference. This guy was going for a dedicated race bike, so some mods would be different for you if you want to keep it street legal. http://www.mnsportbikeriders.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77573&st=0 We should have one of these here at FZ07.org (hint hint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Both you guys need to put away your manginas and try racing. You don't need to be fast to do it. There are many 'average folks' racing at tracks all over the world. No matter how many bikes on grid there is still only one winner, the rest of us suck. Once you feel comfortable in close proximity to other riders/bikes while passing or being passed you are ready. When you catch yourself trying to catch or pass faster riders during a track day as opposed to enjoying yourself by yourself, you are ready. No one starts out as a 'fast guy'. The main difference between enjoying a track day vs racing is simply your level of agression. Even at the highest levels of racing, see MotoGP, if you look closely there is a diverse level of skill and equipment. Most of the guys on that grid have no real hope of winning though it doesn't prevent them from gridding up! Same thing at all levels of racing, new folks coming up, mature folks winding down, fast guys grinding the rest up. Rock it! Almost all tracks or race clubs have a licensing program, ask around they'd love to help you get started. It usualy takes a full day of on track and classroom training that ends in a test race for licensure. Licensing isnt so much about being fast as it is about being safe and predictable so everyone can work on becoming fast in relative safety. I guarantee you'll never regret it. That link above is me/my bike by the way. I started racing w/o ever doing a single track day. I enjoy both now for their own merits. Ask the fastest guy at any track and they'll tell you the same thing, "without slower guys to pass it's not called racing it's called riding". Get passed enough and you'll wick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 To take this a step further; Some Clubs don't require lights be removed but merely taped or otherwise prevented from creating shrapnel in a crash. Unclipped, unhooked, covered, removed etc. Kickstand generally must be removed, not difficult. License plate and rear light pod can easily be removed trackside for racing, again required for safety. You could easily french a headlight into the race fairings OR race it half faired by just adding a fluid containing belly pan to your current set up. At the speeds these bikes are capable of (130-140ish) the aero package isn't that critical. Full fairings are unnecessary and prolly only give you a mile an hour or so in reality. I routinely get beat by several nekid bikes. Numbers can be affixed in any manner of clever ways or plastic plates zip tied onto bodywork temporarily. He's right tho, get out your wallet. Everyones budget is diffferent but somehow I always seem to go over mine, by a mile, if my wife reads this "its not my fault," A cheap alternative to full fairings... I blame Beemer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axemanblue Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Bahahaha, some excellent points, man-gina notwithstanding! My competition-minded ego doesn't want to admit it, but you're right about just jumping in after a certain point. More than one fast guy has told me he became so by chasing other faster guys. It's my pride wants to insists that I'm at least competitive when I get there, as I've been lapped once on track and that absolutely sucked. (And I knew the f*cker, which made it worse.) But hey, even if Tito Rabat doesn't score another point this season, he's still a former champion who's living the dream and could probably beat all of us on a stock 300 with one eye closed. Cause what I'm ultimately hearing you say is that it's all about getting out there and having fun. Thanks for the kick in the ass and the inside view. And yeah, nice bodywork! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 If you want to go fast to feed your ego, you will probably end up slow, yet dangerous. If, OTOH, you want to become a better rider and enjoy yourself, speed will come naturally together with your increase in skills. It's about mindset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickshift Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Go naked! (with bellypan). Check out Rafael Paschoalin's naked FZ, he finished second in middleweight bike at this year's Pikes Peak hillclimb. Seth Starnes was 4th in middlweight, also on a naked FZ (90 hp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhb Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 If you want to go fast to feed your ego, you will probably end up slow, yet dangerous. If, OTOH, you want to become a better rider and enjoy yourself, speed will come naturally together with your increase in skills. It's about mindset The other side of that is ride within your limits, (first knowing them), then push them little by little, getting comfortable, but not complacent at every increased speed. Know your bike and respect it's ability to throw you off if you screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Good points - I should have mentioned the benefits of attending a proper riding school like Freddie Spencer or CSS etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 13, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2017 Go naked! (with bellypan). Check out Rafael Paschoalin's naked FZ, he finished second in middleweight bike at this year's Pikes Peak hillclimb. https://preview.ibb.co/cVgEUa/Naked7a.png"]Thanks for sharing! Love the piggyback shock and custom airbox to make it fit! Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 13, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted July 13, 2017 Racing naked sounds cool, but I will most likely order the R bodywork this October once the school taxes get paid. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickshift Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Another pic of Paschaolin's naked race bike. A surprising amount of standard plastic parts still on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhb Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Another pic of Paschaolin's naked race bike. A surprising amount of standard plastic parts still on it! An interesting application of what is important and what is not, aftermarket pipe, but stock headers, stock clutch lever, but looks like radial front brake lever and braided lines. plastic is irrelevant, no radiator guard, maximum air flow. stickers make it go faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickshift Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 An interesting application of what is important and what is not, aftermarket pipe, but stock headers, stock clutch lever, but looks like radial front brake lever and braided lines. plastic is irrelevant, no radiator guard, maximum air flow. stickers make it go faster. Agreed! I was surprised that although quality race parts were fitted (e.g. brembo master cylinder) many stock parts had been retained - radiator side covers, frame covers, plastic intake ducts etc when none of these are necessary. Surprised also that no crash protection is fitted (e.g. crankcase protectors for oil leaks in a crash), must be very minor requirements for Pikes Peak. I think it looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axemanblue Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 For the record, I would absolutely race naked. (Not like that, you dirty dogs.) While we're still on thread hijack mode, can someone explain the use of the right-side-up forks? I'd have thought a Pike's Peak climb would require the increased strength of the upside down variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 16, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted July 16, 2017 For the record, I would absolutely race naked. (Not like that, you dirty dogs.) While we're still on thread hijack mode, can someone explain the use of the right-side-up forks? I'd have thought a Pike's Peak climb would require the increased strength of the upside down variety. Maybe usd is over rated for a lighter bike with less power. Often thought of running a 43mm RSU fork on my bike just to be different. Like the Ohlins universal RSU forks. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apexin Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Have you completed a race licensing school? If so, you are ready. If not, you will need to before you race so they will let you know. But, a race licensing school does not teach riding, just the steps you will go through on a race day. If you have ridden on the track and feel confident in your ability to ride good lines and are consistent, then there is no reason you are not ready to race. Notice I didn't say anything about speed in the prior sentence as that will come with time. Safety is the most important thing so if you feel safe on the track, then by all means please join us. When I started racing years ago, track days were not common so most guys came straight from the street or were MX racers and went racing. There is no bell in your head that goes off one day to tell you that you are ready. Like I said, if you can go to a track day and hold a good line and don't scare yourself running wide and blowing braking zones every session, then you will be fine. Racing is so much fun its insane. There is just something about when the green flag drops that makes it different than a track day. You will also probably be out there with less people on the track so you might find it more safe than running track days, I know I do. The fact that you are asking gives you the answer right there. Looks like your bike is good to go so I wouldn't worry about fairings as they really won't improve your placing at a race until you can run lap times with the really fast guys and then its only minimal. Come on out and have a good time. What track and what org. are your thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 24, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted July 24, 2017 Have you completed a race licensing school? If so, you are ready. If not, you will need to before you race so they will let you know. But, a race licensing school does not teach riding, just the steps you will go through on a race day. If you have ridden on the track and feel confident in your ability to ride good lines and are consistent, then there is no reason you are not ready to race. Notice I didn't say anything about speed in the prior sentence as that will come with time. Safety is the most important thing so if you feel safe on the track, then by all means please join us. When I started racing years ago, track days were not common so most guys came straight from the street or were MX racers and went racing. There is no bell in your head that goes off one day to tell you that you are ready. Like I said, if you can go to a track day and hold a good line and don't scare yourself running wide and blowing braking zones every session, then you will be fine. Racing is so much fun its insane. There is just something about when the green flag drops that makes it different than a track day. You will also probably be out there with less people on the track so you might find it more safe than running track days, I know I do. The fact that you are asking gives you the answer right there. Looks like your bike is good to go so I wouldn't worry about fairings as they really won't improve your placing at a race until you can run lap times with the really fast guys and then its only minimal. Come on out and have a good time. What track and what org. are your thinking? Good info, thanks! I have not completed a race licensing school. I want to get more seat time on the track first to make sure it's something I want to do. I'll be at NYST for my 2nd track day this Sunday. I have not thought much about organizations and tracks. NYST only runs a 300cc series, but many racers come to practice there. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted August 18, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted August 18, 2017 From rereading some of mossrider's posts and looking at pictures, it clicked that the FZ07R bodywork is designed for very low clip-ons giving little room for higher mounted clip-ons. It looks almost too low for any street riding and maybe even lower than I need for track riding. I currently have drag bars, but am in the early stages of designing my own version of the Woodcraft clip-on adapter. I'm designing something that will put standard Woodcraft clips-ons just above the upper triple. Any thoughts or feedback is welcome. Thanks. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 The race kit would su☆k on the street. Too low in front, too hard/high in back. I'd look at other fairing options if going fairingish, like Airtech street kits from another model of some sort, and use a stock seat tail instead of the GP tail. .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Any thoughts or feedback is welcome. Thanks. This: http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/yamaz/YZR350.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted August 19, 2017 Author Premium Member Share Posted August 19, 2017 I do hear Andy at ApMoto Arts is coming out with RS bodywork for the FZ07 that would be molded for lights. But not sure when. It would make sense that the RS bodywork would have more room for higher clip-ons. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolojac Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I plan on doing my first track day this year probably on a rented r3 to get used to it. I put an r1 front suspension and brakes on my fz. I have been thinking about doing a full fairing but I agree it would not likely be very street comfortable unless they come out with the rs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.